About suboxone, buprenorphine and naloxone


The current Opioid Hysteria was started several years ago with a rippling effect and has become worse over time. A company that has much to gain from this hysteria around opioids is called Reckitt Benckiser. According to this article in “The Daily Beast” from 10-05-16 : https://www.thedailybeast.com/suboxone-creators-shocking-scheme-to-profit-off-of-heroin-addicts , the company was about to lose their patent and came up with a “fake opioid hysteria”.  According to this article, “Reckitt Benckiser sought to exploit the nationwide hysteria over the increasing use of opioids to line its own pockets by blocking competition….”.

The drug Suboxone has a Generic name of buprenorphine and naloxone (oral/sublingual). If you visit https://www.drugs.com/suboxone.html you will notice that Bupenorphine is  also considered an “opioid medication, sometimes called a narcotic”.  Naloxone “blocks the effects of opioid medications”. Naloxone also blocks any pain relief or feelings of well-being, according to this article. The drug, “Suboxone is used to treat narcotic (opiate) addiction”. Suboxone is not to be used for any kind of pain relief or as a pain relieving medication. What I don’t understand are the warnings on Suboxone and these medications associated with it in generic form. The same warning is used on the label as is used for many opioids. The warnings state that if you used Suboxone, Bupenorphrine  and/or Naloxone it may be “habit-forming” and can cause addiction, overdose or even death. The company Reckitt Benckiser is trying to get rid of all other opioids so that they can profit off of having a monopoly on their own medications. They claim that all chronic pain patients are suffering from “opioid use disorder” or addiction, in other items that I have read.  Other warnings on the labels of these 3 drugs, state that  some other medications, if taken simultaneously with Suboxone, Bupenorphrine and/or Naloxone, can cause a serious medical crisis called “Serotonin syndrome”. They state that you should be warned and inform your Dr. If you take any herbal supplements, depression medications (*or if. You have any mental illness), Parkinson’s disease, migraines, serious infections or any medication that helps stop nausea/vomiting. The label states that these medications can cause “life threatening withdrawal symptoms”. Some of the side effects are: weak/shallow breathing, confusion, weakness, blurred vision, slurred speech, liver problems, low cortisol levels (nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite etc).  One of the most interesting side effects listed are “opioid withdrawal symptoms” (shivering, increased sweating, runny nose, watery eyes, muscle pain and diarrhea). Tell me again, why this medicine is “better” for chronic pain patients to take than long acting or really any opioids? How are these side effects and warnings any better? Also, as long as a chronic pain patient has been doing well on long term opioid therapy, why switch to something that could be potentially harmful or cause them death? Also, women or men who are still thinking about having or starting a family, do you know that Suboxone can cause infertility (*this article states that long term opioid use can also cause infertility?).  Many other medications will affect Suboxone, such as Benzodiazephines, other narcotic medications & cough medicine. It states that Suboxone is used to treat drug/opioid addiction. It does not say that it is for chronic pain in any way, shape or form.

Don’t let anyone tell you that buprenorphine is “different from suboxone” because from my research it is just a generic form of that drug. It is an opioid but has not yet been approved for use with chronic pain. Dr’s are required to take an 8 hour class in order to prescribe these drugs to patients. They are supposed to be prescribed for addiction and/or substance use disorder. The latter is what our friend, Andrew Kolodny has labeled all chronic pain patients who use opioid therapy, as having. When I looked up the classes online, that physicians, nurse practitioners etc. are required to take in order to prescribe the drug “buprenorphine”; it states this is a  medication for addiction and opioid use disorder. Physicians must apply for a waiver to prescribe bupreorpnine to their patients with opioid use disorders.

I noticed an article last week that was discussing suboxone, that it is only approved for addiction. The active ingredient in this drug is Called buprenorphine, which is known as an “opioid partial agonist”. This just means that it interacts with the same receptors in the brain, as heroin and oxycodone. The difference they explain, is that people don’t get a “high” or “cravings” for buprenorphine. But then why can’t chronic pain patients who have been doing well on opioid therapy for several or many years be left to the opioid medications that they may have been doing well on for many years? Patients who have been on a steady dose of opioids for possibly multiple chronic pain conditions, do not get cravings or high either? Why introduce these chronically ill people to something new, something else that will cause them new and or worse bad reactions/side effects?  I found in this article (www.crchealth.com/addiction/heroin-addiction-treatment/heroin-detox/buprenorphine-suboxone-vs/) that suboxone  contains buprenorphrine and naloxone. The naloxone keeps people from abusing the drug. It is an opiate antagonist. But why would anyone give these meds to chronic pain patients who do not use the opioids for any other reason than to have some semblance of a life with lesser pain levels? It states right in this last article above, that “If you take suboxone as directed…..the buprenorphrine will travel to the brain and you will feel relief from withdrawal symptoms. Chronic pain patients should not have to go through withdrawal symptoms. This is what I’m trying to get through to persons who are “pushing” these drugs on the chronic pain population now.

In this article called “The truth about suboxone” (www.thefix.com/content/stigma-maintenance-treatment9216), Maia Szalavitz discusses maintenance therapy for addiction with suboxone, Methadone or Naltrexone. She explains something that I’ve known to be true about opioids as well. If they are taken in irregular time and dosage then you will get a high. But if you take them in a regular reliable schedule and dosage, then “getting high is visually impossible”. Next, I read an article about different people who had been given the “bupenorphrine isn’t suboxone” speech. They were told that it would help them with withdrawals etc. But guess what? The person who told his story first, in this article, stated that withdrawals from the buprenorphrine were much worse than anything he had expected, encountered or had been told. I read his story here: (https://www.medhelp.org/posts/Addiction-Substance-Abuse/Suboxone-Good–Bad–and-Ugly-Truth—168-days-off-SUB/show/1502381) . I have been researching these drugs.  In my humble opinion as a non-medical personnel, who has been through hell and back; trying different pain treatments and medications over the past 15 years; that I would not ever take suboxone, or buprenorphrine even if my life depended on it! I finally found something that worked to lessen the chronic pain due to several chronic pain illnesses; I agreed to take it after being pressured “to trust them”(doctors). But now only to have it taken away 15 years later because of some crazy opioid hysteria going on so that “he who shall not be named” can become more rich and have a monopoly on suboxone, bupenorphrine etc. by “getting rid of all opioids”.

We live in America and we should be free to have choices as to what medications we want to take, knowing the risks and benefits. Just as we have freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms and now even freedom to have gender neutral restrooms! We deserve the right to have freedom to choose with our own personal physicians who are trained in pain management etc; the right to take the best medications for our own personal situations. The government needs to step away and stop trying to politicize this opioid hysteria. Stop trying to demonize the organizations that support our freedoms of treatment options! This has turned into a deadly nightmare for many of us and now myself included.

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I also want to inform you that each time I tried to look up or research “buprenorphrine” it came up as “suboxone”. Buprenorphrine is a generic form of suboxone. In addition, naloxone is the ingredient that immediately makes you go through withdrawals if you do take another opioid/narcotic while taking suboxone. Hmmm….suppose you were in a car accident, maybe like the one that started all of your chronic pain in the first place? Suppose the EMT’s or an ER Doctor gave you an opioid to help with burn trauma or gunshot trauma wounds or horrible car accident trauma? You would be really “in trouble” would you not? Anyways, just another informative message from me to you. I hope this helps someone. Sending Love and low pain your way.

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This is where I got some of this information:

1. https://www..com/suboxone-creators-shocking-scheme-to-profit-off-of-heroin-addicts

2. https://www.drugs.com/suboxone.html

Articles that Explain The Bad effects of suboxone, bupenorphrine etc.

1.  Why Suboxone Treatment Can Be Harmful

2. The Suboxone Conspiracy

3. the ugly truth about suboxone withdrawals

*****Several of the articles used in this blog post were provided to me by my colleague & friend, Jonelle Elgaway *** please visit her website at: CAW Nation

13 thoughts on “About suboxone, buprenorphine and naloxone

  1. What doesn’t get discussed ARE diseases, cancers, caused by FDA approved drugs. OA drugs ruined my Gastro tract, Barrett’s Esophagus, which is a pre-cancer, Hiatal Hernia sm. due to all the puking from Gastropresis. heart. PPI’s, steroids, nerve blocs ruined my bones/spine, 14 bad drug reactions to FMS/Neuropathy drugs only Valium works. As a Gastro patient it’s rare for me to take a Opioid for more than 3 days and at the lowest dose possible. 5 reactions to Cholesterol drugs, I’ve a full typed sheet of such drugs. My Cardio/Gastro has Morphine, Fenayatal, Toradol, and all OTC meds but Tylenol flagged as NO drugs. I have Hypothyroidism, Gastropresis, Diverticulosis, Enlarged Heart with sm. Mitral Valve leak, sm. torn Rotator cuff, Degenerative Spine with Stenosis, Neuropathy, Fibromyalgia, OA, OP, Meniere’s, lost half my low frequency hearing to BAD ENT surgeon, thumb surgery damaged my dominate Right hand with little fine motor skills left, Now the left hand thumb has a torn ligament, and double Trigger Lock. I didn’t cause these health conditions, FMS, Thyroid and OA are the only natural health conditions, rest are caused by a bad surgeon, many bad FDA drugs. The medications I must take are drying agents, and have ruined my gums and teeth to the point I have to have a lower denture. i sit here with 7 of my lower teeth pulled I only had 11 left in the first place, waiting for a denture. I’ve had SIBO, badly done cataract implants that had to be corrected, Now they are damaged due to the Hypertension drug I had to take for 3 months, It hit my GI tract and my newly repaired corneas. Valium only treats 4 health issues, it dose noting for the OA/OP, Spinal degeneration with Stenosis, 2 Neurosurgeons said my spine would crumble if they touched it. Restasis is the latest drug reaction, did you know it doesn’t like your GI tract and will flare a Autoimmune? That is not in the reactions list for the drops. It also caused an eye infection with 1 singlet. I am in pain 24/7/365 I AM AN INTRACTABLE PAIN PATIENT, IP IS A MEDICAL DISEASE THAT HAS NO CURE, NO TREATMENT BUT A OPIOID. I’M TRIED OF BEING TREATED AS A CRIMINAL WHEN ALL I DID WAS GET OLD AND SICK. It does no good to use the FDA Bad Drug hot line, all they tell you is tell your doc to put you on a even worse drug. You can’t get rid of a bad doctor. Just ones who care and prescribe pain meds.

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  2. Further, an impt., large Austrailian study published 7/3/18 in “The Lancet” concluded Sub.does nothing for pain of cpp’s.
    Non- pain pts who are addicts and placed on Sub. in rehab treatment programs in this study were shown to become “addicted to Sub.”

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    1. Yesssss that’s what I’ve read also!! If you read today’s 2nd post you’ll hear from someone first hand , who was tricked into IV Suboxone in the hospital!

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    2. What idiots thought of that??? Wow ! What a dumb idea to take addicts and get them off if their addiction meds only to get them addicted to something worse …that is even more horrible to go through the Subx withdrawals (I’ve heard it’s a horrific nightmare to get off of! This is just crazy

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  3. The main advantage of Suboxone is that if the patient accidentally overdoses, the Naloxone in it protects the breathing reflexes. It’s possible to take an overdose of natural morphine and forget to breathe. That’s why Oregon suicide doctors prescribe opioids for the purpose of assisting suicide…the Mu-opioid receptor induces slowed breathing to help with sleep, so giving it a massive overdose can cause people to forget to take their last breath. Suboxone prevents that outcome…so in a patient who just might try suicide by taking too many Suboxone pills, the patient won’t get comfortable, won’t die, and may have a change of opinion about dying today.

    For many people it’s possible to get pain relief from stimulating the kappa and delta opioid receptors and not doing anything to the mu opioid receptor. One substance that seems to have this property is Mitragynine, a drug found in the Kratom plant that’s native to Southeast Asia. Since Mitragynine has not been put through FDA clinical trials, there’s a lack of validated research on it and a lot of false statements about it are circulating online. Kratom is much cheaper than Suboxone and may have many of the same benefits, in terms of reducing the suicide risk. However, some of the false information circulating about it has actually killed people. Weight lifters repeat the mantra, “No pain, no gain” like it’s some sort of religion to them…we’ve frequently run into people who try to help folks with chronic pain by suggesting we force ourselves to experience more pain and get the weight lifter’s adrenaline riush, despite what that will do to us for the rest of the month! One such weight lifter, a cop in some rural town in upstate New York, died a couple of years ago from what sounds suspiciously like a pulmonary embolism. He had this wicked chest pain, characteristic of a pulmonary embolism, but rather than go to the emergency room like a normal person, he kept eating more Kratom to numb up the chest pain and going back to his weight lifting. He was found dead in his weight lifting room in a pool of blood. The medical examiner called the death “Kratom-related”. And didn’t think to call the death what it was: A stupid belief that pain is good for people, had led the man to do something incredibly dumb. In a hospital, people with a pulmonary embolism are put on bed rest until it heals up, and given blood thinners to help it dissolve. The bed rest is to prevent the embolism from rupturing blood vessels in the lung. By numbing up the pain with what appeared to be some truly massive doses of Kratom, this man managed to exert himself lifting weights, and rupture a blood vessel in his lung. The cause of death wasn’t the Kratom. The cause of death was the belief that more pain was good for him.

    Is there a role for Mitragynine in pain care? Maybe. I can see how a doctor might prescribe the Mitragynine to be taken during working hours, because it allows the patient to remain alert, and then give some long-acting hydrocodone at bedtime, when it’s sleep-inducing effects are useful. It’s the sort of research that’s probably worth doing. I can also see Mitragynine as a possible drug for major depressive disorder, the usual cause of opioid addiction. But someone has to do the research, to get this Suboxone alternative on the market. And there needs to be greater awareness, that if pain suddenly gets worse and one suddenly feels the need for a big increase in one’s pain medicine intake, that means there’s something seriously wrong with one’s body that’s causing the increased pain level and one needs to get seen by a doctor to figure out what it is. Weight lifting with a pulmonary embolism has killed at least one person, and no one should take pain medicine and exert themselves, when they need to get to an emergency room for treatment.

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    1. My comment went before I was ready-sorry! I was saying that Bupenorphrine is a generic of Suboxone. In today’s blog post I discuss and show a man who had been put on it while inpatient- without his knowledge! It’s taking him 6 mos to wean off of. Ring on it for a month! It’s an awful drug with terrible side effects! Terrible withdrawals and they’re much worse than any opioid I’ve ever taken! I’ll die before anyone tries to make me take it

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    2. Buprenorphine is the name of the drug used in suboxone and butrans and other bupe sub drugs suboxone is not a generic but the brand name of a med that uses buprenorphine as its active ingredient..i after 15 years chronic pain treatment am also using kratom and it has been a miracle for me..if banned i have been researching the bupe and sub drugs to treat my chronic spine pain..if it doesn’t work what am i supposed to do?? Take shots everyone warning against ?? Surgery that doesnt work to relieve pain even if not botched?? Looks like its gonna be illegal kratom or heroin since can’t get a simple norco that worked for 12 years..people trying to manipulate the medical of folks for profits and causing misery should be hanged from the street lights in town square..but thank God we can rely on karma to even the books..they may not believe in what goes round come around but they will..no one can escape their own karma..everyone causing such misery to chronic pain patients for personal gain of any type will pay..the universe is a big mirror shining back on one what they shine on it and its creation..its universal law..

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    3. Helllo You’re mostly right, except for the fact that if you look at the screenshot photo with the yellow highlighter, you’ll see that the makers of Suboxone/Bupenorphrine have called Bupenorphrine the “generic equivalent “… it just doesn’t have the naloxone in it. But if you read my blog post with the bright red graphic, “In Response To…” there’s a friend of mines personal account of being on it for a month! It’s very much more difficult to wean off and with much worse and horrific side effects. If it helps you and you’re willing to take it; then I’m happy for what Er works for each person. I will die in my bed I guess, because I’d feather die than take a “medication” that to me , has effects worse than death and I’ll be flagged forever. I just don’t want anything with horrible effects like I’ve heard first hand . But like I’ve said before, if acupuncture works -go for it. If PROP’s method of “thinking the pain away” works, then do it. But the opioid pain meds I take & have for over a decade, have zero side effects. I don’t want to feel worse in other ways but yes, I’m terrified of the pain.*check out the screenshot

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    4. Hello my friend!! In my article I did not say Suboxone was generic. I said that Bupenorphrine and Naloxone are generic forms of Suboxone-(the name brand). But also it wasn’t me stating it, I got it from several articles and sources which I cited on my story. I hope they allow you to keep your kratom. I cannot take that unfortunately due to long qt syndrome. I have long QT syndrome in my heart and it is on the red warming list of natural herbs /supplements that I cannot take 😔😔

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    5. If you go to the place on the Internet where it says Suboxone; it also says Bupenorphrine and Naloxone. I did not pull that out of a hat! Everything I said is backed up by articles that I researched and have read. You should read my next article about the response … Oh My Gosh! This mans account of getting off Suboxone is horrible! Horrific even!! It’s much worse to get off of than say, fentanyl or “regular” opioids! Also Suboxone is not for pain and actually does not take any pain away at all, it can’t. The Bupenorphrine is not even FDA approved for pain. Why would anyone take that stuff? It’s poison! After reading what happened to my friend, it’s much worse than any opioid I’ve ever taken! You can’t just 🛑 STOP taking them. Even slowly going down can make you much worse than the “regular” opioids. Read about what happened to my friend who was only on Suboxone for a month.

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  4. Suzanne, I can confirm that I have read and have come to the same conclusions that you have. This was a money grab by addiction docs who have financial interests in Suboxone and the trillion dollars thrown towards rehabs that many have a financial interest in and have failure rates up near the mid 90th percentiles. We can’t forget the procedure docs making bank from dangerous injections, stimulators and pain pumps. I have read reports of teeth breakage after four months using the Suboxone films, and that it is much harder to detox from any other opioid, and Subs IS an opioid, as you mentioned.

    One of my biggest fears, besides that it doesn’t help pain, like you mentioned – is getting in an accident or needing a surgery and being unable to have your pain controlled. All of these medical types that boast ‘pain doesn’t kill’ – it’s so far from the truth – look at all of us with our new high blood pressure and cardiac issues. Or look at you with your TIA after they cut you, I refuse to call that a ‘taper’. Unfortunately, for any of us that die from increased pain causing other physiological issues, or the shock that our already medically fragile bodies will have to go through with withdrawal – will just go on the coroner’s books as another addict who died of ‘complications’.

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