This information is “straight from the horses mouth”…please read this chronic pain patients horrific experience (he wrote this after reading my last blog post in one of my support groups):
“Absolutely, I mean absolutely do not ever let anyone put you on Suboxone or buprenorphine – the primary component of Suboxone – when they try and shove you off of opiates because the stuff is absolute poison.
When my pain pump ran out of morphine sulfate after I lost my pain management doctor, thanks to the new CDC guidelines, I went into acute opiate withdrawal and ended up in the hospital. In the hospital they were supposed to detox me from opiates, they did not. Instead they pulled a really shitty bait and switch, and put me on Suboxone. Suboxone is extremely addictive and 10 times harder to get off of than conventional opiates, and much, much uglier.
I know this from personal experience. Getting off of Suboxone or buprenorphine – its active component – is an absolute nightmare.
For example: I can take 15 mg of hydrocodone – hydrocodone is the opiate in medications like Vicodin and Norco – per day for six months solid and I can just stop taking it, cold turkey, and I’ll feel kinda crappy for three or four days, I’m off of it, end of story.
After a single month of taking 16 mg of Suboxone per day, I have now been trying to wean myself off of it for nine weeks, every step of the way has been absolute hell, and it will take me at least another 2 to 3, possibly even four months to wean myself off of it. And then, I understand, I can expect to spend another couple of months feeling significant withdrawal symptoms even after I have stopped taking Suboxone/buprenorphine.
This has got to be one of the worst medical scams ever. I would compare using Suboxone to get people off of opiates to using whiskey to get people to stop drinking beer.
Suboxone is also hideously expensive $370, for a 30 day supply.
A 30 day supply of four Norco 10/325 per day is only $33.
If you get just straight buprenorphine – the active component of Suboxone – you can get it for about $90 for a 30 day supply.
The cost is actually the least of the worries where Suboxone/buprenorphine is concerned. If you are a longtime junkie who was been sticking a needle in your arm for years Suboxone may make it easier for you to get off the needle.
If you are a chronic pain patient who has been taking opiates for your chronic pain and they are going to cut you off of your opiates, you are far better off going cold turkey – hopefully your doctors will allow you to wean off of the opiates – and skipping the Suboxone/buprenorphine hoax because getting off of it is 10 times harder than getting off of conventional opiates, and the nightmare from hell every step of the way. It is hideously ugly.
I don’t know how to say it any plainer than this: Suboxone/buprenorphine is, in my estimation, absolute poison, and one of the worst travesties of medical mispractice ever perpetrated on the American public. it is a scam to make a pharmaceutical companies rich.
When it comes to Suboxone/buprenorphine: just say no.”
***Today I opened up Facebook to find this response regarding my article from July 31, 2018. That’s is where I discussed Suboxone, Bupenorphrine & Naloxone. Please refer to that article (July 31,2018) if you need to “fill in the blanks”, so to speak.
I thought I would add his comments here. To be fair to all of my readers, I will also post my responses. I want you to know my reactions and the words that I used to make sure that my original post is not “confusing” to anyone else.
Here are the words that he wrote underneath my article that was posted in my CRPS support group on Facebook; called “RASEforCRPS” (the letters represent the words: Reserach, Awareness, Support & Educate) (*it was also posted in other Various groups & pages) :
“I’ve been safely and effectively using plain Bupenorphrine, an opioid, in the form of Butrans patch for several years! I have also used the antidepressants and have been fine with both.
Each of my docs can order it without certification or special classes. It HAS been approved by the FDA for severe pain that needs round-the-clock management.
There is a lot of different info out there and there are other medications with Bupenorphrine in them. Here is some info! Here is a pharmacy times article about this:
“Belbuca Is the newest formulation of you been or for an available as a buckle films and indicated for the management of pain requiring around -the -clock, long-term opioid treatment not adequately controlled with alternatives. This reflects the new standard labeling required of all extended-release of yours indicated for Chronic Pain.”
“Buprenex IV or IM is approved for the relief of moderate to severe pain. This formulation is also used off-label for the treatment of opioid withdrawal in heroin-dependent hospitalized patients.”……..(you can read this article in its entirety here: Pharmacy Times article * that patient also gave this article for reference: Second article given to me by that patient
*******Here was my response to her post underneath my article:
“The writers of your one article make the medications you are being prescribed. The information I have is from several trusted news organizations, and our government has been saying for years how big Pharma has downplayed the negative affects of their products. Lastly, I’ve known people who say that it’s much worse to stop taking (Bupenorphrine/Suboxone) than others that are not agonist-antagonist opioids. All I’m saying is that if you want to take that medication, even though it’s not approved by the FDA; you should have the choice to do so! But if the other kind of long extended release Patch has worked for other people, including myself for over a decade, then I/they should be able to keep the medication that has worked and hasn’t caused any problems for me whatsoever! I also have at least six or seven different articles where I found my information on the Internet.
There’s also this information below, which says the medication can be used for pain/refractory depression for “off label use” (then why can we not use the fentanyl patch for off-label use?)… there’s also contradictory information and most state that it’s ” only a low analgesic at best”!
In this article here Bupenorphrine- Naloxone Therapy in Pain Management , it states that these medications In the past few years, they have been increasingly prescribed off-label for chronic pain management. The current data suggest that Bupenorphrine /Naloxone may provide pain relief in patients with chronic pain who also have opiate dependence or addiction. However, the pharmacological profile of this medication states that it is a weak analgesic that is unlikely to provide adequate pain relief for patients without opioid dependence or addiction.
Therefore, just as I stated in my original article, these medications are probably OK for people who are struggling with addiction to opioids. But if you do not have an Opioid addiction or an opioid use disorder and you’ve been using the same opioids for Chronic Pain for many years, and they still help to give you a semblance of life & relieve your pain, then you are not an addict. So the Bupenorphrine /Naloxone may work for low analgesic pain relief in addicted person but not in chronic pain patients. That’s what I tried to state in my original article as well. I also said that the company (*Reckitt Benckiser) that is responsible for making the medication Suboxone/Bupenorphrine started this whole fake opioid crisis so that they could have a monopoly on this medication and get rid of all opioids. Therefore it was a “get rich scheme” for them.
Lastly, I’ve copied and pasted for you, only one of the warnings for the buccal Butrans patch:
•The risk for serious, life-threatening or fatal respiratory depression. Physicians should monitor for respiratory depression, especially during initiation of the treatment or after a dose increase, the company said. “Misuse or abuse of Belbuca by chewing, swallowing, snorting, or injecting buprenorphine extracted from the buccal film will result in uncontrolled delivery of buprenorphine and pose a significant risk of overdose or death,” the statement adds.
• The risk for accidental exposure. “Accidental exposure to even one dose of Belbuca, especially by children, can result in a fatal overdose of buprenorphine.”
• The risk for neonatal opioid withdrawal. “Prolonged use of Belbuca during pregnancy can result in neonatal opioid withdrawal syndrome, which may be life-threatening if not recognized and treated, and requires management according to protocols developed by neonatology experts,” the statement said. If prolonged treatment is required in a pregnant woman, “advise the patient of the risk of neonatal opioid withdrawal syndrome and ensure that appropriate treatment will be available.”
After reading the warnings on these medications I don’t see why they are any better than regular opioids or the fentanyl patch? All medications, including heart medications, Coumadin & chemotherapy, come with warnings! But sometimes the benefits outweigh the risks.
1:Bupenorphrine has not been approved for pain- but possibly off label can be a weak anelgesic
2: Are there other uses for Bupenorphrine